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Randoh

Randoh


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PostSubject: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeMon 14 May 2007, 9:03 pm

We apologize for the inconvenience.

The account in question was suspended for the use of a 3rd party
program (aka Bot or Botting). Use of 3rd party programs are prohibited
and therefore the account has been suspended permanently.

If you wish to continue to play Ragnarok Online, please register
another account and review the Code of Conduct and Terms of service to
prevent further disruptions in your time on Ragnarok Online.


Thank you.

iRO GM Team

Gravity Interactive, Inc.



There you have it.

I went afk in the morning and woke up to a:
This account ID has been banned by the Game Master team. I mailed them, and got the above message in red. There isn't much to say.

I presented my case to them, how I was afk and all that, but they don't care. According to them, I was acting "bot-like." While afk. Yeah. Suspect They swear that I was moving, and of course, they don't need to show me proof that I was. I tried to get them to change their minds, but after 2 hours, I fucking gave up. I know people have told you that Randoh bots and I'm a bad person and all that, but I wasn't fucking bot-... ah, what's it matter now?

My fucking erudite sunglasses... the tower keeper card... the wizardry staff... my kickass priest that warped people to wrong places on purpose... my 98 wizard that had a heart of gold and was notorious for all bad things but lovable at the same time... my badass super novice with the silly headgears that warmed your heart...

I don't know what I'm going to do now. If blue continues to play RO, then I'll prolly start a Champion or a Biochemist on another account. There's really no point in playing without him and he feels the same way. But if not, then I guess this is goodbye. If it comes down to that, then... I'll miss every single one of you assholes. Star... Meffe... Terra... Magnus... I'm gonna miss you guys more than leveling up.

Shining Force was the best thing that ever happened to Randoh.
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeMon 14 May 2007, 10:02 pm

Just make new account i bet it sucks to be permanent banned on 98 fcking wizzy! :< all the work for nothing . and how the fuck you bott afk~?
Wel goodluck i guess O.o; Im gonna miss you and ur Asshole lines xD
You better come back soon or something!

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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeTue 15 May 2007, 1:52 am

D==, if this isn't a sick joke, I will miss you. Even though I didn't get along with you there for a little.
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeTue 15 May 2007, 7:38 am

We don't always agree, but SF's just not tha same without you. I'll help you rebuild a little, I guess. Man, that sucks...
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeTue 15 May 2007, 10:04 pm

I will be posting the heated argument between the GM's and I. I want my fucking wizard back. Nothing can replace him.

Your Question :
Hi, I just got your response to my banning question.


The thing is, and I don`t question the reliability of the 3rd party
program checking system, I was awake and at the computer leveling until I saw
iRO GM 21 there. I had to go afk at that point because I had other business to
attend to and fell asleep, and since I wasn`t botting, I didn`t have anything to
worry about, or so I thought. I`ve heard stories of other people that have been
botted that have all sorts of proof that they weren`t botting, but they remained
unbanned. I ask if there can be some sort of revision of the bot check as I
don`t have any solid proof that I wasn`t.


Answer :
Please be aware that
all members of the GM Team are trained to give the benefit of doubt to the user
when testing. However, had you truly gone afk, as you claim, your character
would have ceased moving. As this was not the case, the account was found to be
guilty of third party program usage and suspended as such. Please review the
Terms of Agreement and Game Policy shown on our website before registering a new
account, if you wish to continue playing.

Thank you.
iRO GM
Team
Gravity Interactive, Inc.


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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeTue 15 May 2007, 10:05 pm

Your Question :
Well, that, I cannot explain. Maybe one of my family
members tried to play for me while I was gone, I really don`t know. I wasn`t at
the computer, and they aren`t here to ask, and won`t be until tomorrow. You must
understand that it`s difficult to explain to someone that you weren`t doing
something when they think you were. But if it comes down to it, is there
something that I could show you or tell you at the time before I went afk that
would prove that I wasn`t botting?


Answer :
The account was tested numerous times in
numerous ways to verify that there was not an actual person sitting behind the
keyboard. As the account was logged in from its normal playing IP and was not
responding to any testing as a human being would, it has been and will remain
suspended for third party program usage.

Thank you.
iRO GM
Team
Gravity Interactive, Inc.
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeTue 15 May 2007, 10:07 pm

I`m sorry that it had to turn to that.

I understand that the GM`s are
trained and what have you, but according to what I`ve seen, the majority of them
are incompetent. That`s not a cheap shot, all I`m saying is that maybe the
community would feel a lot safer knowing that the GM`s weren`t banning innocent
people like myself. Icewind and his entire family comes to mind, as do others.


You, my good sirs lost my business.

Answer :
We are
sorry if you feel you have been misjudged, but the fact remains that the account
underwent numerous tests that it failed on a repeated basis. The character
[Randoh] was found on the Hugel field map(hu_fild03) and was completely
unresponsive to the full battery of tests. If you had truly seen the GM, as you
claim to have done, why did you not respond to their commands or presence? The
character was in a continuous state of motion, never pausing and never
responding despite the GM's commands to do so. It is unfortunate that you wish
to end your time with us, but the account was found to be using a third party
program, a fact that does not change and will keep the account suspended
indefinitely.

Thank you.
iRO GM Team
Gravity Interactive, Inc.
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeTue 15 May 2007, 10:08 pm

Alrighty, I decided to see if I can try to convince you that I wasn`t botting
somehow.

As
you`ve heard me state before, I went afk shortly after I saw the GM. It wasn`t
like I just sat at the computer, gawked while the GM asked me to respond, then
left, thinking it was a rebellious joke. It was more like I had urgent business
to attend to, I quickly got up, and I saw the GM out of corner of my eye (GM`s
are hard to miss) and I moved my cursor, and it was iRO GM 21. I figured, my
real life business was far more important, and since I didn`t bot, and a bot
wasn`t running, I had nothing to fear. Maybe the GM was off on some other
business, perhaps a map glitch. So, I left, computer unattended.

As for
your question as to why my character didn`t respond, and why I was constantly
moving, I don`t have the answers to that. I`m not going to sit here and pretend
I have some explaination. I wasn`t at the keryboard, so I can`t say what did or
didn`t happen after that. I asked my brother if he had used it, but he
didn`t give me a straight answer. According to what happened, I have reasons to
believe that he was. I decided not to push him for an answer because we come
from a religious family, and don`t want to put him into a position where he has
to lie.


Answer
:

Thank you for your email

The facts of the case remain the same,
if an account is tested and fails to behave in a way congruent with normal human
use it will be suspended. It is the responsibility of the user to not use
illegal programs and to be sure that no one has access to his/her workstation-if
a family member ran them or behaved in a way that could only indicate third
party program use, the main user would be held responsible in that case as well.
Again, we are sorry that you are unhappy with the results of the investigation,
but the account will not be released.

Thank you

iRO GM
Team
Gravity Interactive, inc.
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeTue 15 May 2007, 10:10 pm

The Randoh is getting progressively angrier.

Your Question :
If that`s the case, then why bother digging into what
I was doing at the time as if it would solve anything?

And now that I
have a possible explaination, you closed off all windows and aren`t inviting
back into the house.

And if what I explained HAD really happened, then
you`d admit that I would`ve been innocent afterall! No 3rd party programs or
anything. You banned me for botting, but if I wasn`t botting, then there`d be no
reason to leave the account banned.

All I`m saying is that if you`re
going to ban me just because I went afk, you might as well ban all the merchants
in Prontera, and everyone with a chat window, and anyone that isn`t in a
constant state of movement while you`re at it (or in this case, constantly
moving), because I`m no different than they.

Answer :
Thank you for your
email

A character that fails to respond to the GM Team and is clearly
being operated in a non-human fashion is not in the same league as a character
AFK in town. We have many users that have written in multiple times concerning
an account, this is not proof against wrongdoing in itself. The explanation you
are presenting is that the account was left logged in at a unsecured location,
leaving the main user responsible for the conduct of the account. When this
happens, the following two scenarios have occurred:

-the main user of the
account was using a third party program to play the account while
away

-someone else took contol of the account from the normal unsecured.
location of play and ran an illegal program

these two cases will appear
and must be treated the same.

Thank you

iRO GM Team
Gravity
Interactive, inc.
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeTue 15 May 2007, 10:19 pm

Hi. It's me again.

A character that does not respond to a GM is not CLEARLY
being operated by a bot. You and I both know that some people play Ragnarok that don't know very good English, or at all, might have had some problem with their keyboard, or maybe, don't know they have to. In my case, let's assume that my brother had taken controls. He doesn't know how to type yet, I don't think. Click here, click there, he's got that on lock-down. So even if a GM had asked him to respond, he doesn't know he has to, and doesn't know how. The same can be applied to many other players that don't know English. Your company states that in the botting check, ample time will be given to respond, and if for some reason the player/bot doesn't respond because of language barriers or whatever, other tests can be administered. Now, if the "full-battery" of tests was indeed administered as you say it was, I'd still have my account right now. Did I fail to respond, and you decided that was good enough?

Regardless, in my case, I wasn't there, and while I now know that it was my responsibility to monitor my account at all times in all "non-secure" areas (non-secure by YOUR standards, not mines. And nowhere in the Terms of Agreement does it define a "non-secure" area, as if such a thing existed. Agro Monsters appear in towns all the time. Secure, wouldn't you say?) the fact of the matter remains that I was banned for botting, not for being an irresponsible player. You group the two things together (botting/someone else playing) as if it were justified. The two aren't to be grouped together. Those are two completely different cases, and If I am to be banned, it is not to be for botting.


Their reply coming coon!!Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeTue 15 May 2007, 11:55 pm

What the fawk..

Okay, this is horrible and just messed up.


Well either way..
Wanna rebuild ?

Mage said he'd help a bit.
I'll help when I can.
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeWed 16 May 2007, 12:47 am

Neutral I don't even know if I want to come back yet. If I were to have combatted the GM's enough and if they caved in and gave me my account back, I would go back to playing as if nothing happened. Wink But out of all of the banning stories I've ever heard, only one ever managed to get his account back, and that was after about a month or two of hardened debate. I'm willing to go that far because... it's only been 2 days without RO, and... let this smiley illustrate my feelings~

Sad

I want my fucking wizard back!! bounce
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeWed 16 May 2007, 1:25 am

i knew a guy got baned for botting took him 3 mounths get his acc back by fighitng the Gms so might take a wile but go for it xD
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeWed 16 May 2007, 9:23 pm

Your Question :
Hi. It`s me again.

A character that does not
respond to a GM is not CLEARLY being operated by a bot. You and I both know that
some people play Ragnarok that don`t know very good English, or at all, might
have had some problem with their keyboard, or maybe, don`t know they have to. In
my case, let`s assume that my little brother had taken controls. He doesn`t know
how to type yet, I don`t think. Click here, click there, he`s got that on
lock-down. So even if a GM had asked him to respond, he doesn`t know he has to,
and doesn`t know how. The same can be applied to many other players that don`t
know English. Your company states that in the botting check, ample time will be
given to respond, and if for some reason the player/bot doesn`t respond because
of language barriers or whatever, other tests can be administered. Now, if the
full-battery of tests was indeed administered as you say it was, I`d still have
my account right now. Did I fail to respond, and you decided that was good
enough?

Regardless, in my case, I wasn`t there, and while I now know
that it was my responsibility to monitor my account at all times in all
non-secure areas (non-secure by YOUR standards, not mines. And nowhere in the
Terms of Agreement does it define a non-secure area, as if such a thing existed.
Agro Monsters appear in towns all the time. Secure, wouldn`t you say?) the fact
of the matter remains that I was banned for botting, not for being an
irresponsible player. You group the two things together (botting/someone else
playing) as if it were justified. The two aren`t to be grouped together. Those
are two completely different cases, and If I am to be banned, it is not to be
for botting.


Answer
:

Thank you for your inquiry. Please be aware that the owner of an
account is 100% responsible for the actions taken if the account is in use by
another user. We do not condone sharing accounts, including sharing with close
friends or relatives. When we conduct our tests, we take into consideration
users who are unable to speak English, or are too young to be able to interact
as older users do. This account, when tested, did not respond as a normal human
player would, and showed the play style of an illegal third party program. This
account was suspended for illegal third party program, and will remain so.


Thank you,
iRO GM Team
Gravity Interactive, Inc.



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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeWed 16 May 2007, 9:26 pm

Your Question :
I don`t think I`m trying hard enough.

Ok, not
only have I proven you wrong in my player being required to respond, not only
have I proven you wrong as to the existance of secure/non-secure areas, not only
have I explained what most likely happened on my end, not only have I proven
that going afk can happen at any time, and not only have I gotten you to imply
that I wasn`t botting (that should have sealed the deal, but I guess not), now
you want me to explain the bot walk that was in full effect at the time of the
ban.

I`ve seen bots. I know what they look like. Default colored boy and
girl novices and acolytes, roaming the Prontera country side with names like
hjkhklh and gjkldgj, never stop attacking the Peco`s and the Pupa`s. Walking,
then stopping for a split second, walking, then stopping... majestic creatures,
those bots. This bot walk is easily mimicable. Try this in your own Ragnarok
client... try it with your GM friends~ as you log in, try moving the cursor on a
square... about 5-7 cells away from your character. Then, click. Walk, then
stop, walk then stop... Voila~ bot walk.

Now, I`m not saying that it`s
very likely that my brother did that, but it seems that`s the only explaination.
Also, our laser mouse is an old Dell mouse, and craps out from time to time,
mouse button stuck, cursor going whichever way it pleases. We really should
replace it. I don`t blame you for being skeptical at all! When I think about all
of this and how it all pieces together, I begin the chuckle.

Was that a
good enough explaination, or shall I try again?

As for your so-called
bot-testing, one really must stand in awe at the concept. I understand that as a
GM, you have a job, and you maybe don`t have a regular Ragnarok Online account,
and even if you did, you have a sort of diplomatic immunity because of your
position at Gravity Interactive. You have nothing to fear, so the bot checks may
seem comical to you. Let me illustrate my point.

GM: Hiya!

Me:
Hello!

GM: We`ll be giving you a test!

Me: A test? What kind of
test?

GM: The botting test. It`s to check for bots~ if you pass, nothing
bad happens, but if you fail, then it`s bye-bye 98 wizard. What do you want to
know for? Hey now, you`re not a botter, are you?

Me: No! Lord no!


GM: Good. That`s good... you don`t have anything to worry about then,
it`s just for bots.

Me: But I don`t bot, and there are people that do,
so why am I being checked?

GM: What`s with all the dumb questions, Jack?


Me: Sorry, sorry... so what`s on the test?

GM: Hey, Mark! This
guy wants to know what`s on the test!!

Mark: Hahaha!! They always want
to know...

GM: We can`t just tell you what`s on the test! XD

Me:
Then how do you expect me to pass the test? o.o

GM: Well now, that`s
your responsibility!!

Me: ... umm... ok. >__>

GM: That`s
right! The test shall take place whenever we feel like it, at the place of our
choosing, the test will take whichever form we want it to, for as long as we
want to (we are busy people, you undestand), no testing materials will be
provided, and you`d better make damn sure you pass.

Me: ... do you hate
me?

GM: This is Iro GM team.


Answer :
We are sorry that we are unable to meet your
expectations with our decisions. However, we strongly feel that in the interest
of all the players and the community as a whole, our decision was the most
appropriate for the benefit of all our players. We strive to arrive to our
decisions professionally and impartiality at all times. As such, the decisions
we have reached in regards to the matter you inquired about, are absolutely
final without any exceptions in any way, shape, or form. We hope that you can
understand that this was necessary to be fair and just to all; and that this was
done as part of our duty to be able to provide you with a quality gaming
experience.

We thank you for your understanding in these matters. If you
have any other concerns or questions, please feel free to contact
us.

Thank you,
iRO GM Team
Gravity Interactive,
Inc.

They're making this too easy.
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeWed 16 May 2007, 9:52 pm

You strongly feel that banning me was in the best interest of the community as a whole, do you? You've implied several times that I may have not been a bot, so in saying that it's in the best interest of the community as a whole would be admitting a careless, dismissive, tyranical banning of a player that didn't do any wrong.

The GM's don't know what's in the best interest of the community as a whole. People are leaving Ragnarok Online at a steady pace because of all the problems that the GM's create and refuse to fix. I'll give you a random example. Last week, there was a nasty server glitch last week on Iris, where anything that anyone did would simply be rolled back when they relogged. I was online at that time, leveled for 2 hours, relogged, and my progress had been erased. I posted on the forums that I wished for reimbercement, as did... the entire server. Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody was reimburced in any way, shape or form, were they? Not a single word of it was ever spoken of it by the GM's. I ask you, was that in the best interest of the community as a whole? "Benefitting all of our players?" Not this time.

Take RIGHT NOW for example! There's another server-wide glitch occuring as we speak! People will ask for reimburcement, and you know something? You won't give it to them. You'll turn the other way and won't do anything for the players to keep them happy. Evidentally, not making players happy is in the best interest of the community as a whole, right?

I fell very strongly about wanting my account back, I fell very strongly that you are wrong, and I feel very strongly that the test was a fluke!

Regardless, you're "decision" to ban an innocent player couldn't have contradicted yourself anymore. I contribute zeny to the crumbling economy, I continue to support Gravity with real life money, I help new players level and stay interested in the game so the community as a whole remains as friendly as possible, I tell jokes to my guild members to heighten their spirits enough to endure the leveling, and I expect nothing in return.

What really angers me is that you won't even consider the possibility that the test was wrong. They are usually right, but not this time. All these explainations and contradictions are being presented to you, and you haven't moved an inch.

Don't thank me for something that has yet to occur. I haven't understood any matters. Don't talk as if this is over, because I'll make sure it never ends until I have my account back.

Answer :
We have a very strict no-tolerance policy
regarding the use of 3rd party programs. The account in question has been
already been convicted of such use, the punishment was stated as a permanent
suspension on the account. The account will not be released, however, if you
wish to continue to play Ragnarok Online, please register another account and
review the Code of Conduct and Terms of service to prevent further disruptions
in your time on Ragnarok Online.

Thank you,
iRO GM Team
Gravity
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeThu 17 May 2007, 9:45 am

they said there not guna del it why is that, coz they think u may be right so dont del the acc ur geting to them XD
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeThu 17 May 2007, 12:40 pm

Sounds like you'll need definitive proof that you weren't botting. Gl with that, let me know if you want to just start over. I don't think you're going to win this argument.
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeThu 17 May 2007, 1:16 pm

we can win GMs would del the acc if they ere 100% sure he was a bot so u can still try get ur acc back for last guy i knew hot baned for botting took him 3 mounths so it might take a wile XD
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Age : 35
Localisation : Behind you!!
Registration date : 2007-03-07

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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeThu 17 May 2007, 7:56 pm

Aww, Magnus, what are you, a realist or a dog? I am a realist, not because I have a small chance of victory, but because if my account hasn't been deleted yet, the Randoh still has a chance, and shall keep trying. I don't give a fuck how long it takes. Well, my edge here is that while I don't have definitive proof that I wasn't botting, at the same time, they don't have definitave proof that I WAS botting (it's the prosectucer's job to convict, not the defendant's job to prove innocence), so we're even on that. Either way, I'll let ya know. I'm not going to simply crumble just because of some fucking policy or an assumption. Fuck those foos.

I mean, I already explained what happened to them, and they still aren't changing. Should the Randoh kick things up a notch? The Randoh thinks yes. 3 months or 3 years, don't matter.
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeFri 18 May 2007, 9:36 am

Well, they MIGHT give in to shut you up...

Kinda depends on how stubborn THEY are, to be honest.
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeFri 18 May 2007, 11:25 am

Magnus, you're my boy. So I'm gonna tell it to ya straight. I have a whole goodie-bag of issues that I have yet to bring up, so they're the ones that have to worry, not me.

For example:
Their "full battery" of tests consisted only of looking how I walk, and saying, "Please Respond" and what have you. But there have been known to be other tests, like changing a monster's name to DO NOT ATTACK, openning a chat window that says ENTER OR BE BANNED, trying to crash the user's client through a temporary job change, trying to deal them, warping them somewhere... the only tests that they ever mentioned are the walk and the talk (joke). What happened to the other tests? Was it the "full battery," or was it only half-charged? (joke).

I got alot more of these, but the Randoh has to go to school.

EDIT!!!

Here's what's gonna happen. Unless anything really big happens (I get my account back, I get another main account though means other than myself starting another one from scratch), I'm not going to play RO anymore. I'll be switching over to World of Warcraft, while still fighting those douche-bag GM's over custody of my Ragnarok account. But if I do get it back later on, I'll play WoW and RO off and on. If I'm needed for anything, the people that need me should already have means for which to contact me.

Edit!!!

We're running on day 5, and no response from the GM team yet.

Edit!!!

Day 6... no response yet, running out of colors to type in and good times are being had on WoW.
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Randoh

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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeThu 24 May 2007, 1:36 am

Your Question :
I was starting to think that you`d all forgotten about
little old me.

Yeah, I heard that 5 times already. Still not convinced.
The test was wrong and I got a GM to semi-agree that the test didn`t provide
concrete evidence. Before I was hearing that it was a suspicion, and there was
evidence, without really being sure and now it`s, IT WAS USING BAD WRONG PROGAMS
FOR SURE!! You all don`t really know for sure, and I`m really the only one who
knows, right? The test was wrong, and I`m not asking for the account back, I`m
telling you guys that when a test is administered incorrectly, it`s the
administer`s responsibilty to correct their error, which in this case was
banning my account.


Answer :
We apologize for the inconvenience this may
have caused. However, this account was permanently suspended for

--
Illegal third party application usage --

Please be aware that upon
registration of an account, you agreed to our Terms of Service and our Code of
Conduct. As such, our investigation has concluded that you have violated our
Code of Conduct and our Terms of Service resulting in the permanent suspension
of the account. Please review and understand our Terms of Service and our Code
of Conduct at our website at the links below:
-- Terms of Service:
http://iro.ragnarokonline.com/utility/agreement.asp
-- Code of Conduct:
http://iro.ragnarokonline.com/support/operationrule.asp

If you have any
further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us
again.

Thank you,
iRO GM Team
Gravity Interactive, Inc.



Losing confidence and motivation. Losing it real fast.
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeThu 24 May 2007, 11:45 am

I'm sorry man. Gonna miss you in SF, hope you do come back someday...
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PostSubject: Re: Randoh was perma-banned   Randoh was perma-banned Icon_minitimeSat 26 May 2007, 2:45 pm

Agreed, it was my responsibility to respond. But for the sake of argument, what
about people that can`t understand English/can`t type? Are you going to
discriminate against the illiterate? You told me that the full bettery of tests
was administered, but there are countless other tests that could have been given
to me, but they weren`t. Just not resonding and the laggy walk? If I was said
illiterate, then it`d be a case of discrimination. I find it interesting that
the two most easily misunderstandable tests were the only two that were
administered. EIther way, I`d like it if I could not get the simple copy &
paste response. You talk about MY responsibiltes, but what about YOUR
responsibility to provide a reliable botting test? I did my part, and you aren`t
doing yours.


Answer
:

Thank you for your email

There is currently a post related to
this on the forums

-"The bot reactions to these tests are very different
than what even a new player that doesn't speak english would do (this statement
is not singling out, but rather to cover the excuse that it was my younger xxxxx
that only speaks xxxx). Failing 1 or 2 of these tests could be coincidence
failing all of them is not." -Heimdallr

Managing International Ragnarok
Online, we are aware many may not speak English fluently. We do not suspend from
behavior that can be the result of not knowing the game dynamics or being
subject to connection or hardware problems.

This is why different kinds
of tests are performed at the same time, and the user is given full oportunity
to display some kind of human behavior. We have stated this several times prior
in our replies. A illegal program account will behave differently from an
account played by a human being, irregardless of age, condition, communication
skills or otherwise.

A complete test was performed, the account was
found in violation of the rules while connected from the normal location of
play, the facts have remained unchanged here.

Thank you

iRO GM
Team
Gravity Interactive, inc.
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